Showing posts with label Guildford. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Guildford. Show all posts

Wednesday, 22 January 2014

Sepia Saturday 212 ~ Snow Abound

We have been lucky so far this winter. It has been very wet rather than snowy. Personally I would rather have it cold that wet. Either way, here is a look back at yesteryear!



This is from my Guildford & District Collection & is Farnham Road Guildford (Hogs Back) on 28th December1927. Brr!

Taking part of Sepia Saturday



Thursday, 28 November 2013

Share a Memory Contest with Dear Myrt

Dear Myrt +DearMYRTLE is hosting the 2nd share a memory contest..

If you want to hear about the contest. The watch this week's Monday with Myrt - the details are at the top of the hour. Here is the video - be quick though the contest ends 30th November 2013!

As part of the discussion, DearMyrt (+DearMYRTLE )  talked about milk. I shared an early memory about visiting the milk depot with my Grandmother, where she had called in to see my Grandfather, who worked for Unigate Dairies at Guildford. I relived that moment - the smell of the milk, the noise of the machinery and the milk bottles clanking together as they moved on the conveyor belt. I can still remember that smell of milk, as if it was yesterday and even now dislike milk, and especially warm milk.

My Grandfather worked for Lymposs & Smee diary, who were a well known Guildford based company. The picture here, shows an early milk bottle from the company, this dates to around 1930.

After my Grandfather returned from military service in 1946 he returned to Lymposs & Smee. The company itself did not fair especially well. as they
went into Voluntary Liquidation in 1955 and from what I have been able to establish were acquired by the Home Counties Dairies, which effectively became part of Unigate.

Unigate themselves was the result of a merger between United Dairies and Cow and Gate who were another well know Guildford business.

Here is the Voluntary Liquidation notice from the London Gazette 22nd April 1955.

"LYMPOSS and SMEE Limited.
(In Voluntary Liquidation.)
NOTICE is hereby given, in pursuance of sections 290 and 341 (1) (b) of the Companies Act, 1948,that a General Meeting of the above-named Company will be held at Central Buildings, Guildford, on Tuesday the 24th May, at 2.30 p.m. for the purpose of having an account laid before the Members showing the manner in which the winding-up has been conducted and the property of the Company disposed of, and also of determining by Extraordinary Resolution the manner in which the books, accounts and documents of the Company and of the Liquidator shall be disposed of. A Member entitled to attend and vote at the above Meeting may appoint a proxy or proxies to attend and vote instead of him. A proxy need not be a Member of the Company.—Dated this 19th day of April, 1955. (255) G. M. LYALL, Liquidator."


Since last week, I have often thought of that early memory and today, whilst Mum was here asked her what else she could recall, and through the course of the conversation, she suddenly announced that sometimes on his day off, he would take Mum to work with him, when he called in to see his colleagues. This would have been the early 1950's. Mum then relived that memory of the noise and the smell of milk. How wonderful is that?

At this time, it was traditional to have a job for life; and after 25 years to be given a watch by the employer. Those days of long gone, but as my Grandfather approached 25 years of service, Unigate changed the rules and made it 30 years. Well he achieved that and was presented with the watch; a watch that I now have. Just after he was awarded with his watch they changed the rules and reduced the time period back down to 25 years..

When he first started working at the dairy, he worked in the dock area. This was where the vehicles that had collected the milk from the farms would be. The milk was in churns and it was tipped into a devise that processed the milk to make to fit for human consumption. He then moved onto the bottling section. Here is where the processed milk was obviously bottled. His job was to ensure that the bottles were filled and aligned properly ready for capping and then moved into crates before being dispatched with the milkman for delivery the next day. At the time of his official retirement in March 1973 he was a foreman, making sure that the chaps worked and went for lunch at the right time and so forth.

In March 1973, as he approached his 65th birthday and retirement, he was asked if he would stay on a few months and work to cover another foreman's shifts as that chap was sick. My Grandfather agreed and then worked in part of the business called "the dump".

The dump was where the fresh and clean bottles would arrive all wrapped in plastic. Here they would be processed - sterilised and cleaned before being sent across to the main dairy building. He worked here with another chap, whose name Mum can not remember, but like my Grandfather he was about to retire. My Grandmother always maintained that there was something about the plastic that had caused some issues, as for some reasons's cigarettes that were lit in the general area would frequently go out and the plastic had a "funny smell". Whatever ever the issue this chap and my Grandfather both passed away on the same day - 20th July 1974, my Grandfather at 9am and this chap at 9pm, both of lung cancer. Curious.

Whilst Mum could not recall the name of other man who passed away she could recall some of the colleagues:

  • Bill Nicholson - A manger 
  • Ron Atkinson - Foreman, who had a very bronchial chest and was the reason my Grandfather stayed on after his retirement in March 1973.
  • Ernie Weller - Manager
  • Mrs Weller - wife of Ernie who worked in the office and whose maiden name was Chambers
  • The chap who passed away in July in fact lived next door to the dairy.
The Roots of Lymposs & Smee, go back further than the 1930's as this picture shows.


Here they are referred to as Lymposs and Son. 

This firm operated from two dairies in Guildford, addresses at High Street and Woodbridge Road. Lymposs and Son eventually merged with another diary to create Lymposs and Smee.

The address of Woodbridge Road was still connected to Unigate in the early 1970's as this where the location of "the dump" was.

So, from a question posed by someone several thousand miles away it triggered a memory that I had and a memory, almost identical to mine, that my Mum had. I had already done some research into Lymposs and Smee as part of my Guildford and District collection and as part of my understanding of my Grandfather's early life and war years, which you can read on George's War.

Wednesday, 27 November 2013

Sepia Saturday 205 - They are Good Sports in Surrey!


This week on Saturday Sepia I am going to go along with the sports theme.

By coincidence I had an email yesterday that talked about the Ellis family of Elstead in Surrey and several other associated names.

This morning whilst in the bathroom I recalled the first photograph I am going share here, as I thought I would share the photograph with the person who emailed me yesterday, then I spotted the theme for this week. Some things happen, by coincidence, but does it exist or is it destiny? What a deep question and all before lunch!

Elstead Football Club 1911
So here are the team, left to right

Standing Row - Herbert ELLIS, u/k, u/k, William BIAS, George WARNER, Alfred NOVELL, Guy BOVINGTON, Sandy TILSON, u/k, Henry ELLIS, Lewis NOVELL, u/k.

Sitting - first 3 u/k, Hubert HARDY, Jack BOND


Guildford Football Club 1905

Back Row - Left to Right - R.G.Harris, R. Jupp. A.Tyrell, W.G. Bridger, A.J.May, S.W. Turner, L.Green

Front Row - Left to Right - A. Groves, M.Avery. L.C. Ede, F.Luck (captain), C Ellis, W. Rossiter, Alb Giles


Wanborough Cricket Team - circa 1920
Sadly no one from this photograph of a Wanborough cricket team can be identified - I date this about 1930.

Saturday, 9 November 2013

Remembrance Day Photo Collage - Day Six

This post is about my 4th Great Grandfather George Ellis. He has lead me on quite a journey!

George Ellis was baptised on 12 June 1774 at Holy Trinity Church in Guildford Surrey, the son of James Ellis and Elizabeth Bridger.

George is located as an apprentice, which confirms that George at the age of 17 years, was apprenticed to Richard Fludder, a blacksmith of Puttenham for a period of 4 years, to learn the trade for his keep and a wage of 2/- weekly for the first year, 2/6 for second year, 3/- for third year and 3/6 for the remainder, but he was turned away without notice after 3 and a half years. 

We can therefore estimate the time he was apprenticed was from 1791 - 1794 or 1795. We know he joined the military in 1797, and that he was married to an unknown wife pre 1805 because when he marries Sarah Beagel in 1805, he is classed as a widower. 
Marriage to George's second wife -
Sarah Beagel 1805. St Mary's Guildford
Marriage to George's third wife  -
Sarah Virgo in 1824 at Holy Trinity Guildford,
who signed her name as Mary Virgo!

George Ellis left the employ of the 10th Hussars having served 20 years and 48 days and was discharged at Brighton Sussex.

Statement of Service  - 10th Royal Hussars,  March 1797 - May 1817
The National Archives WO97/45/38
Discharged in 1817 after serving 20 years and three months, injuries of
Stricture of Urethra, subject to fits and severe injury of the shoulder
The National Archives WO97/45/38
George is named on the Peninsular Medal Roll as receiving 4 clasps with the following particulars:
S & B = Sahagan & Benevente
V = Vittoria
O = Orthes
T= Toulouse
This looks like where George sustained the injuries that lead to his discharge three years later.

In the early part of 2010 I was searching The National Archives site and came across a reference to George Ellis, late of the 10th Light Dragoons in relation to a pension. When the document arrived I looked and for whatever reason didn't spot that although this document relates to someone else there is an insert in relation to George. Here is the full document.

Full document from the National Archives
with the insert relating to George Ellis 1819
The National Archives WO121/182/42
Insert relating to George Ellis.
Who still had not received monies from
the war pension in 1819.
The National Archives WO121/182/42
A further search at the National Archives revealed another reference
  1. WO121/182/42 (see film 134) - Records of Royal Hospital Chelsea - Certificates of service and related correspondence - with a mention of 11th Royal Veteran Battalion (see above)
  2. WO97/1184B/320 - Records of Royal Hospital Chelsea  - Miscellaneous - Served 11th Royal Veteran Battalion
An example of the dress worn by those in the 10th Royal Hussars

After George's discharge he returned to Puttenham, and I have a hunch that there is more unraveling and unearthing of documents to do; I have no proof that I can find anything more about him, other than a hunch, which I plan to explore.

Whatever he did, to fall out of favour with Richard Fludder before he joined the military is a mystery. On his death certificate he is recorded as being a blacksmith and the cause of death is "Exhausted Nature"

Death Certificate for George Ellis 1850.

Wednesday, 18 September 2013

Wedding Wednesday - Frederick William Wait & Bertha Agnes Turner 1917




So, Who was Fred?.....

This was a question that I strove to answer back in December 2011 when I showed this picture on Guildford & District Blog

A search of the Marriages for a B Turner in Guildford 1916+ to a Fred revealed one such entry. The marriage of Bertha A Turner to Frederick W Wait in the September Quarter of 1917 at Guildford. (Ref 2a, 201).

Working backwards to the 1911 Census. Did that reveal more of Bertha? The index revealed one entry for a Bertha E Turner. I took a chance and looked at the data. It didn't pay off, and revealed a Bertha Elizabeth Turner residing at 144 Walnut Tree Close Guildford, a stones throw of my Grandmother at 114. Isn't research curious?

Anyway, A quick look through the First World War records didn't prove obviously helpful, neither did the Commonwealth War Graves website. So I still didn't know who Fred was. A quick search of the 1911 Census for him and I was surprised. It revealed one entry; just one.

Frederick William Wait, Single and Aged 20 years born 1891 Guildford. On overseas military duty and recorded as in the 7th Dragoon Guards and stationed at Hislop Barracks, Trimulgherry, Duccan, India.

That I had not expected. This is still not conclusive that the Fred in India is the Fred in France. Were regiments pulled from various bits of the Empire in order to fight in Europe. Quite possibly.

Into June of 2013 and Ancestry have just released the Surrey records - a fabulous day! I took opportunity to see if I could locate the marriage record that had appeared in the indexes.

And here we are. The marriage  a little over 96 years ago!

Courtesy of Ancestry.
Marriage September 13th 1917 St Mary's Guildford


Friday, 5 July 2013

Sepia Saturday 184

This week's prompt falls upon the anniversary of Louis Pasteur successfully treating a boy with the rabies vaccine.

As I type this we celebrate the 65th birthday of the National Health Service and therefore it seems fitting to start this week's prompt with this first picture.




This next picture is from my Guildford Collection and features the Royal Surrey County Hospital. This picture dates from 1925. The name has since been transferred to the new hospital at Egerton Way, near the venue of the University of Surrey. 

This building I believe is what was the location of the Workhouse, before becoming part of the National Health Service and named St Lukes. I was born at St Lukes and when I worked in Surrey the Oncology unit was still based here. Since then, the equipment has been relocated to an oncology wing at the New hospital (Egerton Road site) and the building sold off. 

You can read about the Guildford Workhouse HERE and about the Spike, which is in the area known as Charlotteville HERE. There is also more details available at the St Lukes Hospital Heritage Project HERE
In 1952 my Mum contracted Polio. She was then 4 years old and spent months in hospital having various treatments. 

There was none of the gentle approach of children's wards, but the harsh reality of illness. Mum spent months at Rowley Bristol Orthopedic hospital. Mum tells me that she remembers her parents coming to see here in the isolation ward and not being able to actually go into the room, but had to view her through the glass window. How frightening that must have been to a little girl and her parents. 

This picture dates from July 1954. Mum made an almost full recovery and now has, developed a condition called Post Polio Syndrome, which was diagnosed in 1996. That was something that simply was not predicted back in the 1950s. You can read my other posts about Polio HERE

Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Saturday, 16 March 2013

Sepia Saturday 168

Having a mooch around my Guildford collection postcards.

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This first picture is of St Catherine's school in Bramley and taken around 1905.











This postcard is after the effects of the storm in August 1906



Now in my original notes I had a question mark around the location.

On reflection, I think this is showing the Rodborough Buildings in the background. This is dated around 1904.



Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Saturday, 9 February 2013

Sepia Saturday - 163 Snow

The moment I saw that this week's prompt was snow I  knew that I had to use this photo. This is from my Guildford and District collection. It is a photograph of Farnham Road at Guildford which was the main road to Farnham and it was along this road that was the most direct route to Puttenham

The photo is dated in the bottom right, and reads "Farnham Road, 28 Dec 1927


I know the recent snow here in parts of the UK had been challenging, but we don't see Winters like this anymore and it was all coped with on a very different scale to these days.


Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Saturday, 26 January 2013

Sepia Saturday 161

This week I am sharing one of my favourite images from my Guildford collection. It is an early picture, dating to 1880 and is of the cattle market at Guildford, which was in 1880 situated in North Street. At some point the cattle market moved to Slyfield where it is still held, but not with any of the busyness and rush of this picture.

North Street had in times gone by the unfortunate name of Lower Backside! although, that was before my time.

I have always known it as North Street and I guess the alternative name reflects its status as it was less popular that the High Street which effectively runs parallel to North Street at the left of the picture.

The High Street in comparison was the main shopping area with a beautiful clock dating back to the 1650s and a cobbled street, which has survived today.

During my childhood this market was not there in this form, but appeared every Friday and Saturday and for those two days, come rain or shine provided the local population with fruit, vegetables and flowers. My Grandmother always used two stalls in particular, one of which was called Hone's. My Mum tells me that she went to school with one of the chaps whose family operated the stall.

Its formation I am sure stems back to when farmers grew their own produce and the surplus they sold, of course over time they simply grew more and more so they could sell it. The stalls have demised the invention of supermarkets and the trendy and affluence of Guildford and the Saturday produce market has almost lost its soul.

Now it is represented by an extension of other market stalls and for my traditionalist brain that is just not right!


Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Saturday, 19 January 2013

Sepia Saturday - 160

I thought this week I might share a few family snaps of different methods of transport.

This first photo is the only one I have of one of my Grandfather's brothers.

This a photograph of the Coronation Parade taken 2nd June 1953. The reverse of the photograph is written by late Great Aunt Dorothy May nee Butcher. The man holding the horse is her brother, my Great Uncle Dick, who was christened Percy in Wanborough in 1906.

My Uncle moved to Horley with his wife Molly nee BEST, so it could have been taken in Horley, but a hunch tells me it is Manor Farm at Guildford.


This photo I may have shared before. This was taken in Guildford in 1968 when the River Wey flooded its bank. My Grandparents are in fact looking out of the window and can just be seen. (Copyright of this photo goes to Allan)

The final photo was given to me by my Grandfather's cousin, James Butcher. Apparently it is of "One of the Crook Grandmothers". The Crook family were originally, I have established from London, but they moved South to Guildford, where they farmed in Worplesdon outside of Guildford. The Crook family often intermarried with part of the Butcher family, not always too successfully!




Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Saturday, 5 January 2013

Sepia Saturday 158


The moment I saw this week's prompt I knew I would share this image.  Original image from a lantern slide. This is a group of slide workers in Guildford circa 1900 and is part of my Guildford and District collection.


Taking part in Sepia Saturday


Saturday, 7 April 2012

Sepia Saturday 119 - Work

A recent find, that I was delighted to come across. This dates from around 1950 and shows, F. W. Woolworths on the left hand side of the High Street at Guildford. My Grandmother worked for Woolworths, or as she affectionately called it, Fred's back in the 1920s.

Sadly, a casualty of the recent recession, all attempts prior to their demise to locate early employee records failed and a small chapter of my Grandmother's life closes.
Circa 1950, High Street, Guildford Surrey
Taking part in Sepia Saturday

Friday, 3 February 2012

Postcard Friendship Friday - Coronation Souvenir 1953




Submitted as part of Postcard Friendship Friday hosted by The Best Hearts are Crunchy 


Family History Writing Challenge 2012 - Day 2

As I wrote the post for Day 1 of this challenge I created a very basic mind map. I usually create these types of things in my journal, but this one started life on a piece of paper and is pinned to my study notice board, and has been transferred to my journal.

The reason I created it is two fold. I wanted to have a spring board for other thoughts and research, which encompasses the additional research I am going to undertake to bring John Matthew's existence to life. Starting with these -
  1. Coke manufacture & distribution in the late Victorian period
  2. "Senile decay" - definition at the time, definition now and links to now known conditions.
I wondered about the man he was. The heartache he felt, widowed twice, firstly in 1880 and then again in 1896. He also endured, like so many parents of the time, burying one of his children. His eldest daughter Mary Anne (1872 - 1898). I wrote about Mary Anne for last year's Writing Challenge, but again have considered some further facts upon re-reading that post (you can read it HERE). How did John cope with all that life threw at him? 

As you will see from that post Mary Anne had a son. Although I have traced his existence to some degree in the parish and found a headstone in the cemetery, what happened to that son?  Who looked after him and raised him and taught him the basics - brushing his teeth, writing and reading, where did he go to school? So many, many questions and mysteries and all of them in "recent times" which really sounds out how many missed opportunities there have been. Did this child know his Grandfather John Matthews? Did he know his Aunt Edith and Uncle John (my Great Grandfather). Research shows that he did not live with either of Mary Anne's siblings. Edith herself died young and there is no mention of him in my Grandmother's immediate family. 

Word count - 335

Friday, 30 December 2011

Postcard Friendship Friday - Happy New Year From the Front 1916




So, Who was Fred?.....

A search of the Marriages for a B Turner in Guildford 1916+ to a Fred revealed one such entry. The marriage of Bertha A Turner to Frederick W Wait in the September Quarter of 1917 at Guildford. (Ref 2a, 201).

Working backwards to the 1911 Census. Did that reveal more of Bertha? The index revealed one entry for a Bertha E Turner. I took a chance and looked at the data. It didn't pay off, and revealed a Bertha Elizabeth Turner residing at 144 Walnut Tree Close Guildford, a stones through of my Grandmother at 114. Isn't research curious?.

Anyway, A quick look through the First World War records didn't prove obviously helpful, neither did the Commonwealth War Graves website.  So I still didn't know who Fred was. A quick search of the 1911 Census for him and I was surprised. It revealed one entry; just one.

Frederick William Wait, Single and Aged 20 years born 1891 Guildford. On overseas military duty and recorded as in the 7th Dragoon Guards and stationed at Hislop Barracks, Trimulgherry, Duccan, India.

That I had not expected. This is still not conclusive that the Fred in India is the Fred in France. Were regiments pulled from various bits of the Empire in order to fight in Europe. Quite possibly. 


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